The Collective

or many years, the Christian Media ministry has been seeking to expose the deadly Spiritual nature of the process known as the Dialogue To Consensus, that nefarious philosophical formula which now permeates every institutional construct in the world.


The world’s leading intellectuals concluded a century ago the Dialectic (related to the word dialogue) was the ideal way with which to create a world of their own design. The basic idea is to bring together a disparate group, encourage them to discuss any and all things, and that which they can all agree upon – the consensus -- becomes the basis for defining truth, and moving progress forward.


The contemporary version of the Dialectic was largely derived from psychiatry, where the analyst informs his subject that anything can be discussed. It was believed that bringing out the deepest, darkest secrets and desires, in a non-judgmental environment, would free the patient from emotional maladies. This process was adapted to groups, where all are urged to participate – and one of the powerful undercurrents is the tolerance of conflicting opinions – in order to sustain the viability of the group.


This “group dynamic” then puts individuals in the position where they are emotionally compelled to put aside individual issues which divide them from the group, or viewpoints which will alienate others. Recognizing that all people seek acceptance and approval, the participant is expected to temporarily suspend fixed beliefs – such as religious absolutes – in order to continue the supposedly harmonious consensus.


In the group setting, the “facilitator” is the person who seeks to guide the group towards consensus. This group leader becomes the de facto mediator between the multitude, and the Spirit of Death, which inhabits The Collective.


The European educators, doctors, and social theorists who developed this system came to believe the way for competing nations, cultures, and economic systems to come to a global consensus, was to conduct a dialogue wherein they could seek to emphasize what unites them (the so-called unity in diversity principle), rather than what divides them, coinciding with the politically correct goal of “world peace.”


Although we’ve repeatedly sought to help believers understand what an enormous threat this actually is, very few fully grasp the true demonic depth of the Dialectic. Indeed, many see it in a superficial way, and believe they understand it, but continue actually practicing the Dialectic themselves – completely unaware that they are already deeply ensnared in this form of intellectual witchcraft.


The unseen agenda in this way of thinking is the concept that the relationship with the collective group must be preserved, while defining away the existence of absolute truth. Thus, in the pursuit of the goals of the group – such as the ephemeral “world peace” – truth is redefined as the consensus which The Collective has reached.


This is the exact opposite of Scripture, for the Bible reveals the LORD’s absolute truth, through fixed statements such as “thou shalt not,” and “ye must be born again.”


The Dialectical paradigm was imported into the church long ago, and very few have come to recognize it, to the degree that they are free from it. In fact, as a Christian prophetic voice seeking to function as a vessel of honour, I encounter this process every day. A recent example is in order.


A newsletter writer contacted me, as he had decided to put together a print piece pointing out the fallacy of the pre-tribulation rapture. Knowing I have several books on the subject, he wanted to mention these materials. We’ll call him “Darryl.” He indicated he intended to list about 25 books which debunked the pretribulation rapture.


In my query of the titles on his list, I quickly became aware one was written by a 7th Day Adventist, another by a Preterist (the tribulation supposedly happened in 70 AD), and another by an incorporated Assemblies of God pastor, espousing a post-tribulational rapture.


The common denominator of this Collective is all are avowed Christians, who have come to the consensus the pre-tribulational rapture doctrine is a dangerous delusion. They also all agree that Jesus Christ is LORD.


However, all have disparate views concerning the believer’s identity in relationship to Christ, as well as the path that God would have us take. I immediately pointed out that, although all had seen through the fallacy of pre-trib, all were false prophets. The individual putting together the anti-pretrib print project saw no reason we couldn’t “agree to disagree” on adjacent issues, in order to serve the “common good” – read the Collective agenda – as he deemed it important that as many believers as possible be alerted to the hidden threat of the pre-tribulation rapture.


Since “Darryl” had stopped studying our prophetic output in recent years, he just couldn’t understand why I did not want to participate in such a “worthy” project, as my inclusion in this “group” would allow my books to be considered alongside the others, so he began to argue in favor of my participation.


In this brief conversation, as Darryl the facilitator began to justify the project, I realized the Dialectic process was already well underway and, desiring to do the Father’s will, I quickly pulled back, and ended the conversation. In retrospect, I realized I had just had a telephone conversation with a Christian manifesting the Spirit of Antichrist.


99% of the body of Christ might suggest that, if my books were distributed through a mainstream Christian distribution channel (in a “Christian” book store), they would be placed on the same shelf as books by the other authors in question, so what does it matter? If you found yourself agreeing with that thought, you are thinking in a Dialectical fashion, and YOU are in serious Spiritual danger.


 Jesus told His disciples that when a party will not, or cannot hear the truth, we are to separate ourselves from that vessel, and move on.


“And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet” (Matthew 10:14).


Most believers would compartmentalize this admonition, and suggest that it only applies to those who refuse to hear the Gospel, as opposed to issues they consider to be of secondary, or non-essential importance. Ironically, this is one of the key reasons why the faulty pre-tribulation rapture doctrine has flourished, as well-meaning Christians, thoroughly inhabited by the Spirit inherent in the Dialectic, reason that the timing of Christ’s return is not crucial to salvation.


Of course, they don’t know it’s not about timing at all, but that’s not the point. By setting aside the pursuit of the absolute truth of the matter, in order to achieve the supposedly larger goal of making disciples of all men, The Collective known as the church, has actually set Christ (who is the truth) aside, for the sake of the relationship with each other, and the goals of The Collective.


“And for this cause, God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved” (II Thessalonians 2:11, 10).


Aggressive or extroverted believers, with some Biblical knowledge, are taught how to interact with the lost, through a subject called Apologetics. For example, decades ago, I was immersed in instructional teachings on how to convince Jehovah’s Witnesses, or Mormons (or other aberrant groups), the truth about Christ.


I also listened to Creationists who taught me how to overcome evolutionist arguments, while another well educated Christian professor instructed significant numbers of believers in his techniques for dealing with the campus curse of philosophy at college. The list is endless.

However, the Scriptures tell us when we present the Gospel, and encounter a stony heart, that we are not to interact with such vessels of dishonour, but to simply move on.


“If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds” ( II John 1:10, 11).


Anyone actually following this Scriptural admonition today is likely to be asked “where’s your love, brother?”


In fact, that very question is Dialectical, in that, in accord with The Collective, it seeks to reproach the recipient by indicating that he or she is deficient in the “love” department, even as it simultaneously seeks to maintain a relationship by referencing them as a “brother.” In short, if you declare the absolute truth, you run the risk of alienating, or being shunned by, The Collective.


“And what agreement hath the temple of God with [false doctrine or false prophets]? For ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive  you” (II Corinthians 6:16, 17).


The Dialogue to Consensus is such a complex subject that the present work doesn’t even begin to scratch the surface. Originating in the Garden of Eden when the serpent successfully inaugurated a dialogue with Eve, we see that wicked one failed when he tried the same tactic with JESUS – who consistently responded with statements of fact, repeatedly prefaced by the wonderful phrase “it is written.”


The total immersion of the Christian church in the Dialectic process at the time of the end is communicated through the imagery of the False Prophet, who looks like a [Christian] lamb, but speaks as a dragon (Revelation 13:11).


The entire world now speaks the Dialectic. From governing authorities, to education, and industry, no sector of society is immune from this insidious practice; and like a Spiritual virus, it has already replicated and reproduced itself in every imaginable institution – including all the churches of the world.


The Dialectic paradigm has even infected believers who are outside of the church, including those who consider themselves to be independent, or non-denominational members of the body of Christ. Even the Apostle Peter, standing face to face with the LORD Himself, abruptly gave voice to the Spirit of Antichrist, as he urged Jesus not to go to Jerusalem, where it was certain that he would be arrested and killed:


“From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples [the truth], how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee” (Matthew 16:21, 22).


Peter was certainly not rejected by the LORD for this infraction, so there is still hope for all believers caught in this destructive deception. However, if we continue in such unscriptural behavior, we will eventually be assimilated into The Collective – and that Spiritual prison is described as a cage, where all people, small and great, rich and poor, and free and bond, are under the dominion of the Devil:


“Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become [The Collective], the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. The nations have drunken of [the Dialectic Process]; therefore the nations are mad. Come out of her my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues” (Revelation 18:2, Jeremiah 51:7, Revelation 18:4).


-- James Lloyd

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